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T O P I C R E V I E WRandallShould an employer be able to fire you based on your comments on Facebook? For example, "My boss sucks." And should potential employers be able to refuse hiring to begin with based upon your Facebook page? One in three employers base hiring decisions by reviewing Facebook. Teachers who insult their students on their Facebook page are usually terminated, which makes sense to me, but how far should it go into the publc sector? PixieJaneIf I were hiring people I didn't know and I checked their FB (which I probably would) I'd probably only care if it directly promised to discriminate against others whose goodwill I depended on so that it would hurt my biz, or showed epic failures in judgment and acknowledged criminal acts or psycho drama that could incidentally get my biz tangled up in it. I suppose it wouldn't be fair to keep someone out or fire them if they had a psycho stalker after them, but too many psycho exes are likely to show up where their ex is working to stir up drama (which can drive people away) and even go on a shooting spree so it's not fair to the victim, but it is smart (and it's just business). Now obviously if it's a close race in who I'm going to choose to work for me and one says things that I find offensive (or looks to do a lot of drinking which I think may adversely affect job performance on a regular basis) or another seems a kindred spirit then their FB can make a real difference. But me personally, I wouldn't really care what people did in their off hours as long as it didn't adversely affect their job performance or my business. I wouldn't even require that I be liked as long as the job was done (though if I saw the person said I sucked I might tease them about how their job search is going to find a better boss). If I were going to enter the job market I'd create a FB page (if I already had one then I'd make a DIFFERENT FB page) tailored specific to the image they're likely looking for. It's an inconvenience, but life is just full of games like that. doommlordWhat people seem like on FB doesent mean they are the same person IRL.Anyways....just change the setting to prevent people who are not your friends to see any of your content.....thats what i do.YoursTrulyAlwaysEmployment law is state based.The Northeast are "right to work" states, meaning employment is at will. Employers have the right to terminate employment for any reason, or for no reason at all, and without revealing the reason. Employees have the right to terminate their employment without notice and without repurcussion, and allowed to start alternative employment unless they are governed by a labor contract that prohibits employment during a "cooling off" period. In New York, I've seen HR departments tell the employee that the employee isn't allowed to even finish the day or even return to their desks/offices. Security escorts them out immediately and all their personal belongings are shipped to their homes. That's how nasty it can get in New York. And there is no legal recourse either.As far as Facebook, I view it as my personal space, but it is public domain and anything you put out in public, including this forum, can be accessed by employers, who have the right to make their labor decisions based on anything and everything. I'll take it further. I've personally heard old toads expressedly say they dont' want ___ race or ___ gender or ___ sexual preferences out in the open, and unless someone videotapes that nonsense, there isn't anything anyone can do to sue.Padre35Well, to me would you want an Employee who did not show discretion on their facebook page?I'd personally say I did not have one as they are time sinks, or if I did have one it would be very bland.Just a profile photo, write out a profile and pictures of nature etc.Ami AnneLosing any freedom is scary. I am Jewish but I want the Nazis and other Jew haters to be able to march and speak. I wish all people felt the same way about personal rights because we are in great fear of losing them with all the blind sheeple in the US now.------------------Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/mockingbirdMy FB page is, for the most part, my cheapo PR firm.Anything that might be remotely controversial (and I do mean *remotely*), is locked down.------------------If I've included this sig, it's because I'm posting from a mobile device. Please excuse all outrageous typos and confusing auto-corrects.7thGuardianI'm not the kind that advocates for authority figures - but in this case, if we're to be objective about it: I'd go with "Yes". If that bothers him - why not? Even your boss should have the freedom to fire you - if you behave like a jack ass and slander his name/title in a public place... In some countries - if you go to far your boss can even sue you for defamation. Reminds me of this: mirage29^ What a BLESSING it would be to work for a boss like that! He sounds sooo cool! I would feel confident and comfortable that he could be a person I could take my ideas to and be heard... Wow.It's not just "Facebook" now--- it's all and any social internet experience you've had.Even some states are using ALL social media now to investigate whether or not you should deserve social entitlements through the government----- perhaps even LL?It's sooooo important, from the time of youth, to establish GOOD values in your life. Sure, there are the times most go wild and have their time 'feeling their oats'... But in today's world? I dunno? Teens sure have it rougher, I think! And boomers who began social contacts WAY before we ever knew that "others" were reading-in are especially vulnerable right now, because they have the most to lose---- can you imagine being a senior and losing what little you have "just because" you have no right to "free speech" if the ' government' is "buying your lunch"??That's why I think a democratic government is better and fairer.... The obstructionists takeover is frightening. They have no soul, nor conscience! (ah, but you all have read my heart about this in other places... I'll stop, for now...)Bottomline for me is the fear that new super-strict legislators could POSSIBLY "fail" to use their Humanity and Good Reasoning--- They could choose to lower the boom on those people THEY decide they are not going to: ___ "Like" ?PixieJane quote:Originally posted by doommlord:What people seem like on FB doesent mean they are the same person IRLI agree...but I think who they really are shows more blatantly on FB than IRL, because IRL we know to not reveal all we think whereas some people foolishly let down their guard on social media forgetting that real live people see it, so the "FB person" is closer to the real person than the IRL presentation. Granted, a person is more likely to have more empathy IRL where they see others as real people rather than pixels on a screen, and thus rudeness is less likely due to genuine empathy present IRL but missing when all alone by one's self in front of a computer screen.LionessI'm a mgr..If I saw something like that on fb, I would be ****** , but I wouldn't have just cause to terminate someone for it.."It's not a violation of company policy"If a company makes a policy up regarding public statements, then it's just cause...When I have applicants I do not and have never even once looked at or thought about looking at there Facebook..I personally think its in moral.doommlord quote:Originally posted by PixieJane: I agree...but I think who they really are shows more blatantly on FB than IRL, because IRL we know to not reveal all we think whereas some people foolishly let down their guard on social media forgetting that real live people see it, so the "FB person" is closer to the real person than the IRL presentation. Granted, a person is more likely to have more empathy IRL where they see others as real people rather than pixels on a screen, and thus rudeness is less likely due to genuine empathy present IRL but missing when all alone by one's self in front of a computer screen.Then again one can fake a personality on FB for many different reason so no telling what can come out of this.PixieJane^^Very true, and would be the case if I were to create a FB page. Of course I wouldn't be sharing anything I didn't want them to see. That said, people who are extremely rude, negative, or otherwise stupid enough to get fired are typically showing their true selves instead of a false image. Kerosenearen't most facebook profiles private? People disable fb searches for privacy too.jellyfishtry quote:Originally posted by 7thGuardian:I'm not the kind that advocates for authority figures - but in this case, if we're to be objective about it: I'd go with "Yes". If that bothers him - why not? Even your boss should have the freedom to fire you - if you behave like a jack ass and slander his name/title in a public place... In some countries - if you go to far your boss can even sue you for defamation. Reminds me of this: I think her (ex)boss dealt with this in a much more civil way, than i would if someone i was paying to work, ended up going to say such things about me in public, which clearly are stupid(love how he reminded her he's gay, after she ...well flattered herself a bit too much....)....so in this case yes employment decisions should be based on FB, as if you don't have the smarts to use that 'properly', then i wouldn't want to imagine what they'd do to a business...jellyfishtry quote:aren't most facebook profiles private? People disable fb searches for privacy too.There is the 'illusion' that they are private, but i was told the FB is one of the easiest things to snoop around, or hack or whatever the proper term is, if a person is an IT geek, or even teenager with a lot of time on their hands....from my experience i believe that it is true.nothing online is 'private' at the end of the day.earthypiscesI'm not trying to be rude, but if you're dumb enough to talk crap about your boss on Facebook, you deserve to be fired.If it bothers you so much, rant to your friend about it in person or over the phone/text or something, no need to broadcast it to the world.------------------Pisces SunCapricorn Moon/VenusTaurus AscendantAquarius MercuryLeo MarshippichickI keep all of my work peers off my facebook, and in cognito...Best way to handle work situations, I think.mirage29 quote:Originally posted by jellyfishtry: There is the 'illusion' that they are private, but i was told the FB is one of the easiest things to snoop around, or hack or whatever the proper term is, if a person is an IT geek, or even teenager with a lot of time on their hands....from my experience i believe that it is true.nothing online is 'private' at the end of the day. I think so too...SpooL quote:Originally posted by earthypisces:I'm not trying to be rude, but if you're dumb enough to talk crap about your boss on Facebook, you deserve to be fired.If it bothers you so much, rant to your friend about it in person or over the phone/text or something, no need to broadcast it to the world.I couldn't agree more. Its the same thing with people who upload nude pictures of themselves or post photos of themselves doing questionable things and wonder how people got access to it. Of course at that point your moving into the realm of invasion of privacy. quote:Originally posted by Kerosene:aren't most facebook profiles private? People disable fb searches for privacy too.You can get access via friend of friend and via "Social Hierarchy" Jane Doe could have Mike Doe as a friend because they are related. I can't find Jane but if I can find Mike I will get Jane. Jane could change her name to Jane Marie, but you can still get access through mike. quote:Originally posted by jellyfishtry: There is the 'illusion' that they are private, but i was told the FB is one of the easiest things to snoop around, or hack or whatever the proper term is, if a person is an IT geek, or even teenager with a lot of time on their hands....from my experience i believe that it is true.nothing online is 'private' at the end of the day.The term is called parsing and doxing. Most scripts are written in .phpCatMotei think if you are hiring people and you base it off of facebook posts, you are completely ridiculous. people have been talkin smack since the beginning of time. even if facebook didnt exist word would still get around if you worked for a bad company/ had a horrible boss.even if you are talkin about your boss on facebook, they honestly have no right to fire you. its their own personal facebook page, you dont like it, you can get the heck off. you cant fire somebody over an opinion they hold of somebody. point is just because you have a position of power and are offended, doesnt mean you can abuse your power to fire the person. at least do it through work purposes. chances are if the person is stupid enough to call out and verbally abuse your boss on facebook, they are probably doin somethin wrong on the job. or the boss can man (or woman) up and have a conversation with their employees like any good employer would do. is interpersonal communication really that hard to accomplish now a days? ------------------Sun Aries Moon PiscesMars Pisces Venus PiscesMercury Aries Jupiter in VirgoSaturn in Aquarius Pluto in ScorpioNeptune and Uranus in CapricornAscendant Libramirage29You're Fired!
Now obviously if it's a close race in who I'm going to choose to work for me and one says things that I find offensive (or looks to do a lot of drinking which I think may adversely affect job performance on a regular basis) or another seems a kindred spirit then their FB can make a real difference. But me personally, I wouldn't really care what people did in their off hours as long as it didn't adversely affect their job performance or my business. I wouldn't even require that I be liked as long as the job was done (though if I saw the person said I sucked I might tease them about how their job search is going to find a better boss).
If I were going to enter the job market I'd create a FB page (if I already had one then I'd make a DIFFERENT FB page) tailored specific to the image they're likely looking for. It's an inconvenience, but life is just full of games like that.
Anyways....just change the setting to prevent people who are not your friends to see any of your content.....thats what i do.
The Northeast are "right to work" states, meaning employment is at will. Employers have the right to terminate employment for any reason, or for no reason at all, and without revealing the reason. Employees have the right to terminate their employment without notice and without repurcussion, and allowed to start alternative employment unless they are governed by a labor contract that prohibits employment during a "cooling off" period. In New York, I've seen HR departments tell the employee that the employee isn't allowed to even finish the day or even return to their desks/offices. Security escorts them out immediately and all their personal belongings are shipped to their homes. That's how nasty it can get in New York. And there is no legal recourse either.
As far as Facebook, I view it as my personal space, but it is public domain and anything you put out in public, including this forum, can be accessed by employers, who have the right to make their labor decisions based on anything and everything. I'll take it further. I've personally heard old toads expressedly say they dont' want ___ race or ___ gender or ___ sexual preferences out in the open, and unless someone videotapes that nonsense, there isn't anything anyone can do to sue.
I'd personally say I did not have one as they are time sinks, or if I did have one it would be very bland.
Just a profile photo, write out a profile and pictures of nature etc.
I wish all people felt the same way about personal rights because we are in great fear of losing them with all the blind sheeple in the US now.
------------------Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal
http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
Anything that might be remotely controversial (and I do mean *remotely*), is locked down.
------------------If I've included this sig, it's because I'm posting from a mobile device. Please excuse all outrageous typos and confusing auto-corrects.
Reminds me of this:
It's not just "Facebook" now--- it's all and any social internet experience you've had.
Even some states are using ALL social media now to investigate whether or not you should deserve social entitlements through the government----- perhaps even LL?
It's sooooo important, from the time of youth, to establish GOOD values in your life. Sure, there are the times most go wild and have their time 'feeling their oats'... But in today's world? I dunno?
Teens sure have it rougher, I think! And boomers who began social contacts WAY before we ever knew that "others" were reading-in are especially vulnerable right now, because they have the most to lose---- can you imagine being a senior and losing what little you have "just because" you have no right to "free speech" if the ' government' is "buying your lunch"??
That's why I think a democratic government is better and fairer.... The obstructionists takeover is frightening. They have no soul, nor conscience! (ah, but you all have read my heart about this in other places... I'll stop, for now...)
Bottomline for me is the fear that new super-strict legislators could POSSIBLY "fail" to use their Humanity and Good Reasoning--- They could choose to lower the boom on those people THEY decide they are not going to: ___ "Like" ?
quote:Originally posted by doommlord:What people seem like on FB doesent mean they are the same person IRL
I agree...but I think who they really are shows more blatantly on FB than IRL, because IRL we know to not reveal all we think whereas some people foolishly let down their guard on social media forgetting that real live people see it, so the "FB person" is closer to the real person than the IRL presentation.
Granted, a person is more likely to have more empathy IRL where they see others as real people rather than pixels on a screen, and thus rudeness is less likely due to genuine empathy present IRL but missing when all alone by one's self in front of a computer screen.
If I saw something like that on fb, I would be ****** , but I wouldn't have just cause to terminate someone for it..
"It's not a violation of company policy"
If a company makes a policy up regarding public statements, then it's just cause...
When I have applicants I do not and have never even once looked at or thought about looking at there Facebook..
I personally think its in moral.
quote:Originally posted by PixieJane: I agree...but I think who they really are shows more blatantly on FB than IRL, because IRL we know to not reveal all we think whereas some people foolishly let down their guard on social media forgetting that real live people see it, so the "FB person" is closer to the real person than the IRL presentation. Granted, a person is more likely to have more empathy IRL where they see others as real people rather than pixels on a screen, and thus rudeness is less likely due to genuine empathy present IRL but missing when all alone by one's self in front of a computer screen.
Then again one can fake a personality on FB for many different reason so no telling what can come out of this.
Very true, and would be the case if I were to create a FB page. Of course I wouldn't be sharing anything I didn't want them to see.
That said, people who are extremely rude, negative, or otherwise stupid enough to get fired are typically showing their true selves instead of a false image.
quote:Originally posted by 7thGuardian:I'm not the kind that advocates for authority figures - but in this case, if we're to be objective about it: I'd go with "Yes". If that bothers him - why not? Even your boss should have the freedom to fire you - if you behave like a jack ass and slander his name/title in a public place... In some countries - if you go to far your boss can even sue you for defamation. Reminds me of this:
I think her (ex)boss dealt with this in a much more civil way, than i would if someone i was paying to work, ended up going to say such things about me in public, which clearly are stupid(love how he reminded her he's gay, after she ...well flattered herself a bit too much....)....
so in this case yes employment decisions should be based on FB, as if you don't have the smarts to use that 'properly', then i wouldn't want to imagine what they'd do to a business...
quote:aren't most facebook profiles private? People disable fb searches for privacy too.
There is the 'illusion' that they are private, but i was told the FB is one of the easiest things to snoop around, or hack or whatever the proper term is, if a person is an IT geek, or even teenager with a lot of time on their hands....
from my experience i believe that it is true.nothing online is 'private' at the end of the day.
If it bothers you so much, rant to your friend about it in person or over the phone/text or something, no need to broadcast it to the world.
------------------Pisces SunCapricorn Moon/VenusTaurus AscendantAquarius MercuryLeo Mars
Best way to handle work situations, I think.
quote:Originally posted by jellyfishtry: There is the 'illusion' that they are private, but i was told the FB is one of the easiest things to snoop around, or hack or whatever the proper term is, if a person is an IT geek, or even teenager with a lot of time on their hands....from my experience i believe that it is true.nothing online is 'private' at the end of the day.
I think so too...
quote:Originally posted by earthypisces:I'm not trying to be rude, but if you're dumb enough to talk crap about your boss on Facebook, you deserve to be fired.If it bothers you so much, rant to your friend about it in person or over the phone/text or something, no need to broadcast it to the world.
I couldn't agree more.
Its the same thing with people who upload nude pictures of themselves or post photos of themselves doing questionable things and wonder how people got access to it.
Of course at that point your moving into the realm of invasion of privacy.
quote:Originally posted by Kerosene:aren't most facebook profiles private? People disable fb searches for privacy too.
You can get access via friend of friend and via "Social Hierarchy"
Jane Doe could have Mike Doe as a friend because they are related. I can't find Jane but if I can find Mike I will get Jane.
Jane could change her name to Jane Marie, but you can still get access through mike.
The term is called parsing and doxing. Most scripts are written in .php
even if you are talkin about your boss on facebook, they honestly have no right to fire you. its their own personal facebook page, you dont like it, you can get the heck off. you cant fire somebody over an opinion they hold of somebody. point is just because you have a position of power and are offended, doesnt mean you can abuse your power to fire the person. at least do it through work purposes. chances are if the person is stupid enough to call out and verbally abuse your boss on facebook, they are probably doin somethin wrong on the job. or the boss can man (or woman) up and have a conversation with their employees like any good employer would do. is interpersonal communication really that hard to accomplish now a days?
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